Prabhupada: …become an exemplary gosvami to give fight to the gosvamis here. You are, how many years you are in Vrndavana? Huh? How many years you are here?
Guru dasa: Two and half years.
Prabhupada: Two and a half years. Now you should represent Rupa Gosvami, and you should challenge them, “You are not gosvami. I am gosvami.” But you have to be exemplary. Do you know what is the definition of gosvami?
Guru dasa: One who works hard for Krsna day and night and one who controls his senses.
Prabhupada: Yes. That is the first thing. Vaco vegam krodha-vegam udara-vegam upastha-vegam manasa-vegam, etan vegan yo visaheta dhirah prthivim sa sisyat [NoI 1]. One who can control these kinds of urges, vaco vegam, talking nonsense — that is called vaco vegam. Krodha-vegam, anger. Urges of the mind. Mind dictates, “Do this, do that.” Then udara-vegam, eating vegam. “Eat more, more, more.” Udara-vegam. Upastha-vegam. Genital. When one can control these six vegan, urges, then he is fit for becoming gosvami, and he can make sisya all over, sisya, disciple, all over the world. Prthivim sa sisyat. This is gosvami. Not that a business. (Hindi) Is there any mention Bhagavata-saptaha in the Bhagavatam? There are so many big, big commentators. They have never recommended. But this business is going on. They are holding Bhagavata-saptaha and bringing money and employing it for the sons’, daughters’ marriage very opulently. And the, their supporters, they’re also invited. They say, “Oh here is a gosvami.” This is going on here. [break] … of gosvami, there is not a single gosvami. At least visible. Where is that vaco vegam krodha-vegam udara upastha-vegam [NoI 1] control? And where is that prthivim sa sisyat, all world-wide?
Guru dasa: Yes, disciples…
Prabhupada: (chuckles) Ah, where is that? Sisya.
Devotee: You are.
Prabhupada: I may be whatever I am. That’s all. But this is the definition of gosvami. Besides that, there are other, many things.
lokanam hita-karinau tri-bhuvane manyau saranyakarau
vande rupa-sana(tanau raghu-yugau sri-jiva-gopalakau)
So nana-sastra-vicarana. One must be very conversant, all kinds of sastras. And what for? For establishing real religion. Real religion is this: sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja [Bg. 18.66]. Why there are other religions existing? That means there is no gosvamis. Gosvami… If there is gosvami, he should stop functioning all other rascal religions. Simply this: mam ekam saranam vraja, that religion. That is religion. And all bogus thing. A gosvami has to prove that. Nana-sastra-vicaranaika-ni… lokanam hita-karinau. Why? For the benefit of the whole human society. Therefore they should be honored. Tri-bhuvane manyau. Not that within some neighborhood. All over the world. Tri-bhuvane. That is gosvami. What is this gosvami? Tri-bhuvane manyau saranyakarau. He is fit to take shelter of. A cheating gosvami, cheating gosvami is no good.
Guru dasa: I also, I also, the first day kicked a panda out because he wouldn’t eat prasadam with us. He said, “I am Vaisnava. I cannot eat amongst you.” So I said, “Then we cannot hear from you. Go immediately.” The first day.
Prabhupada: Hm. That’s all right.
Devotee: He wanted to go and have tea. [break]
Prabhupada: …money, but not your prasada.
Guru dasa: Yes.
Prabhupada: Money’s pure. (laughter) And prasada, because it is offered to Krsna, it is impure. Just see their argument. Money is pure. Even you can give me with your hand as much as you like. Because it is pure, I’ll take it. And so far prasada is concerned, because it is offered to Krsna, therefore I cannot take it. [break] Oh yes. She has got the power. Sakti-mati Sar. Some… The police commissioner has remarked, “This bhajana is nuisance.” So we have to agitate. There are so many Vaisnavas. Bhajana is nuisance? Eh?
Prabhupada: So there must be some big agitation to drive away this man. The demand should be that “This man should be immediately removed. He has focused a sarcastic remark on a very pure religious system.” This movement should be started. He must be removed immediately.
Balavanta: We can hold protest marches downtown.
Prabhupada: Yes, yes.
Guru dasa: Large. Large scale protest marches.
Balavanta: All the Vaisnavas will come with us.
Prabhupada: Yes. You have to organize all… There are many Vaisnavas. Eh? In the Bhagavad-gita it is said, satatam kirtayanto mam [Bg. 9.14]. One has to chant “Krsna” always. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu: kirtaniyah sada harih [Cc. Adi 17.31]. And this rascal is saying “nuisance.” So it is not possible to invoke an agitation against this? What right he has got to say nuisance? He could have spoken in a sweet language that “The bhajana may be very good for the devotees, but it creates disturbance to the others. Therefore we cannot allow.” I say like that. But they cannot still stop bhajana. But he has remarked the bhajana: “Nuisance.” This very word will kill him if you make proper agitation.
Guru dasa: That means the whole government is feeling that way. Otherwise he would not feel strong in saying it.
Prabhupada: That is a fact, but we have to become strong.
Guru dasa: Yes. We must defeat them all.
Balavanta: We can mainly single out him.
Balavanta: We can mainly single him out for now and protest against him, make him the example.
Guru dasa: Make an example of him.
Balavanta: The man in Bombay, government leader.
Prabhupada: There are many parties in Bombay, kirtana parties. You have to organize them and bring them. Chant Hare Krsna everywhere. Create this nuisance. And Maharashtra is the country of Tukarama. He organized kirtana. Still the Tukarama kirtana parties are there. Vitthala. Vitthala means Krsna. And ideal gosvami should remain here to challenge these false gosvamis. But if you also become false, then you cannot challenge. [break] …have come, we can talk with them. Mr. Gupta, your pathaks (?), they have come. Hare Krsna! Jayo. (Hindi) [break] …have sufficient quantity of grains, then you are dhanavan. This is all false, so-called dhanavan. (Hindi) Annad bhavanti bhutani [Bg. 3.14]. If you want to flourish, you must have sufficient grains. Where is that grain? Some… (Hindi) Lecture. What is that lecture? Where is anna? [break] (Hindi) This is going on. (Prabhupada describes in Hindi how Bhagavatam describes the present government leaders as dogs, hogs, camels and asses; and other topics) Harer nama harer nama harer nama eva kevalam [Cc. Adi 17.21]. This is the only… (Hindi) Our movement is Hare Krsna movement. Everyone knows. (Hindi conversation with Indian woman continues for some time.)
Pusta-Krsna: Just like Dhrtarastra, Srila Prabhupada.
Pusta-Krsna: Just like Dhrtarastra. Still they are told that Krsna is God, and they still do not heed the warning.
Prabhupada: Let them accept at least like Dhrtarastra. That is also good. Therefore Dhrtarastra was saved at the end, in spite of so many things. By the help of Vidura, he left home and became successful, because he believed in Krsna, that “Krsna is God, yes. But I cannot control myself.” He admitted his deficiency. Therefore he was liberated. Svalpam apy asya dharmasya trayate mahato bhayat. Because he admitted Krsna is God, therefore at the end he was liberated. Mahato bhayat.
Bhagavata: But Duryodhana would not admit.
Bhagavata: Even though Krsna showed His universal form, Duryodhana still did not agree.
Prabhupada: No, Duryodhana also agreed. All of them got salvation. That is mentioned. Anyone who was in the Battle of Kuruksetra, all of them got salvation. By their being killed in the battle, they all got liberation and salvation. That is stated by Bhismadeva. Svarupa. Svarupa means they came to their original Krsna consciousness. All of them. Hare Krsna Hare Krsna… [break] (Hindi conversation continues for some time) Materially to get bacche (children) you require the help of husband, but spiritually you don’t require anyone’s help. In Krsna only. That’s all. (end)