Bali-mardana: Yes, they try to make it rain or stop the rain. They try different experiments.

Prabhupada: Why not death? Stop death.

Bali-mardana: Yes, they are trying that also. They are not succeeding.

Prabhupada: That is the misfortune. [break]…they are going to the sky for meeting, the Russian scientists and American scientists? [break]

Bali-mardana: On big island, the island that you visited where the farm is…

Prabhupada: Huh?

Bali-mardana: On the island with the farm, the people are, now they are afraid that there will be a volcanic eruption and the whole island will be finished.

Prabhupada: There is such sign?

Bali-mardana: Yes, because that volcano over there it is still active. It is smoking. It is always smoking.

Srutakirti: Siddha-svarupa had said every twelve years it erupts, and I think it’s been ten years since the last one or something. So it’s expected that in two years…

Prabhupada: The last time it devastated? No.

Srutakirti: I don’t know. He said some damage, yes.

Bali-mardana: Paritally, not completely.

Paramahamsa: Partial devastation.

Prabhupada: No, when volcano is in smoke, that is dangerous. That is dangerous. [break]

Devotee: Shall we sell our land, then?

Prabhupada: What will come? Trust no future, that’s all. We must be always ready for destruction. Material world is like that. Nitya anityatam. Canakya Pandita has says, tyaja durjana-samsargam: “Avoid bad men’s company.” Bhaja sadhu-samagamam: “Always try to associate with learned, what is, adhu, with devotees. Avoid this worldly men’s association and try to associate with devotees.” Tyaja durjana-samsargam bhaja sadhu-samagamam, and then smara nityam anityatam. “And always think that everything here in this material world is for few days.” That’s all. Tyaja durjana-samsargam bhaja sadhu-samagamam. [break] Anityatam. [break] …be the motto of life. [break] …associate with the materialistic person, try to associate with devotee, and always think that this world is for few days. That’s all.

Ambarisa: This world is what?

Prabhupada: For few days. Nityam anityatam. [break] …other. Kuru punyam aho-ratram: “And act piously, day and night.” This should be the motto.

Bali-mardana: That is nice prescription. [break]

Prabhupada: …yam aho-ratram. [break] Civilization is just the opposite. Always act sinfully, not kuru punyam aho-ratram. Twenty-four hours act sinfully.

Harikesa: It seems that practically every single person in society today is going to have to go to one of those hells.

Prabhupada: Hmm?

Harikesa: Every single person in society today is going to have to go to one of those hells.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Bali-mardana: …reads about the different hells he’ll become scared. [break]

Prabhupada: …animals. The animals… You keep the animals here, and take one of them, slaughter — they will think, “I am safe.” This is animal. All of them will think, “Oh, I am safe. He is being taken. That’s all.” This is their dull brain, the modern animals. [break]…dvi-pada-pasuh. These two-legged animals, they will think like that.

Paramahamsa: They say that if you have a herd of sheep and one, the first part of the herd falls off of a cliff, then all the rest of them will simply walk off the cliff.

Prabhupada: Yes. That is called veriya dasan. In Hindi, veriya dasan.

Paramahamsa: What is that called?

Prabhupada: Veriya dasan.

Paramahamsa: What does that mean?

Prabhupada: No, veri means lamb or sheep. Their walk… If you can push one of them in the slaughterhouse, all of them enter. This is called veriya dasan. You haven’t got to endeavor to push others. You just push one only. “Fut, fut, fut, fut, fut, fut, fut,” they all enter. (Laughter) In Hindi it is called veriya dasan. Just cheat one veri, and all others will be followers. [break] Long ago, when we were boys, we saw one comic cinema. That old cinema player was… His name was Max Linder. Max Linder. So this Max Linder was going to a ball dance, and he was waiting in the park, and the ball dance coat, you know? It has got a tail. So he was sitting in a bench, and some naughty boys came and they nailed the tailing part. So when he got up it became torn, like… So his, this hip was visible. So when was dancing in the ball others were seeing his, “What is this?” (laughter) So he went to the mirror, he saw, “Oh?” So he began to dance and show everyone like this. So others said, “What is this?” “This is the latest fashion. This is the latest fashion in ball dancing.” “Oh?” Then all cut their tail coat. You see? “The latest fashion.”

Devotee: That’s how they got the cut now. There’s a cut in the coat in the back.

Prabhupada: This is the veriya dasan. [break] …taken the story from the Aesop’s, no, Hitopadesa. Languli-hina srgala, a jackal without tail. So this is the world. Any nonsense you do and if you say, “It is the latest fashion,” everyone will do. The miniskirt. One girl made it, so all girl. The veriya not only amongst the sheeps, and the so-called animal sheeps also do that, human sheeps. [break] …very deep there, the water? They are standing.

Bali-mardana: Their… The surf boards are sticking out of the water. They are holding on to them. But it is not very deep, about six feet. [break]

Prabhupada: …might be increasing? No.

Paramahamsa: This is a spot that has a very large crab population. Many crabs are living here, big ones.

Prabhupada: They catch.

Paramahamsa: Yes.

Prabhupada: They say it is very good eatables.

Paramahamsa: Yes, (Laughing) they say like that.

Prabhupada: And crabs?

Paramahamsa: Clams.

Prabhupada: Oh no? What is called?

Paramahamsa: Crabs and clams and lobsters…

Prabhupada: Yes. Lobster is very popular.

Paramahamsa: Oh, yes, that is a big delicacy. One lobster, if you buy it in the restaurant, they sell it for at least five dollars.

Prabhupada: Accha?

Paramahamsa: Usually closer to ten dollars, for one lobster. Very costly. [break]

Prabhupada: …import lobster from India. I have seen it. Lobster from Cochin.

Bali-mardana: South India.

Prabhupada: Ah, South India. Lobster and this, what is called? Labhanga…? Cloves. And these cashew. Cashew is produced in India. [break] …big, big European companies for doing this business in Cochin.

Bali-mardana: They were set up by the British?

Prabhupada: Yes, and Greeks. [break] Americans don’t care for this business. They want machine.

Bali-mardana: They do not care for the clam business. [break] Europeans consider Americans a little bit barbarian, a little bit uncivilized.

Prabhupada: Why?

Bali-mardana: Because they say that they do not have very much manners, etiquette.

Prabhupada: They say boys, they are boys.

Ambarisa: Unsophisticated.

Prabhupada: Ah, yes. They are in the make-up, not yet fully civilized. [break]

Devotee: I was thinking if you would like to stay here for Ratha-yatra we can make it big Ratha-yatra here.

Prabhupada: Ratha-yatra?

Devotee: Yes. [break] …different places, you like to stay here in this nice place, you can translate. Everyone wants you to stay here. I heard one of your letters quoted in Sri Govinda’s letter that you like Ratha-yatra very much. So I think you would like to go somewhere. So if we can have it here, you can attend here.

Prabhupada: What he is doing?

Srutakirti: Cleaning his fishing net. [break]

Prabhupada: …ratha?

Devotee: We can build it. We have few carpenters here, four or five carpenters. We can build it. [break]

Prabhupada: If you can build it, do it. I may be here or may not be here, but you observe the Ratha-yatra. [break] …trying to make Ratha-yatra in Kuruksetra. That is the origin of Ratha-yatra. [break] It is light?

Devotee: Light. [break]

Prabhupada: …introduce in India two places: one at Kuruksetra, one at Bhuvanesvara. Ratha-yatra. [break] …the cost of one house like this?

Ambarisa: One of those condominiums?

Prabhupada: Yes.

Bali-mardana: The skyscraper.

Ambarisa: Oh, the whole building?

Prabhupada: Yes.

Bali-mardana: Fifty million dollars.

Ambarisa: Fifty million.

Srutakirti: That is that steel boat we were looking at to get.

Prabhupada: Hmm?

Srutakirti: The white boat there…

Prabhupada: White boat?

Srutakirti: Yes, the large white boat just there, that is the one we were after. That is the steet boat.

Prabhupada: Oh. This one?

Srutakirti: Yes, the large one, the biggest one there.

Harikesa: It’s not so big. [break]

Prabhupada: …can avoid.

Srutakirti: Yes. (end)